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Cable Process Anyone Interested?

#1 User is offline   Three Sisters Forge 

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Posted 27 May 2007 - 12:04 PM

Here is the beginning and end, is there interest in persuing the steps? Here is the "Harvest" and the final result.

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Posted 27 May 2007 - 12:21 PM

I'm absolutely interested! Great knife, by the way.
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Posted 27 May 2007 - 12:29 PM

I'm interested. I've a cable like this and i'm planning to use it.
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Posted 27 May 2007 - 12:30 PM

Shoot yeah, I'm interested. I always enjoy a tutorial. Nice lookng kife by the way.
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Posted 27 May 2007 - 04:33 PM

Oh yeah please elaborate!
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Posted 27 May 2007 - 05:10 PM

please do
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Posted 27 May 2007 - 05:14 PM

Posilutely, do tell.
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Posted 28 May 2007 - 08:26 AM

Try and find old cable that has been used. This is personal preferences. Here in Oregon a walk in the woods will usually turn up some cable. The older stuff is usually high carbon steel, that's all. Much of the newer stuff has some alloying. The used stuuf will be tighter wound due to stretching under load. I do not use any cable with a rope core, or heavily crusted with oil. Too tough to burn out. Cut out the frayed areas using a torch. Sawing will unwind the ends. Now cut into about 12" lengths. Do the cuts slow so you fuse the ends.
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Posted 28 May 2007 - 08:27 AM

Try and find old cable that has been used. This is personal preferences. Here in Oregon a walk in the woods will usually turn up some cable. The older stuff is usually high carbon steel, that's all. Much of the newer stuff has some alloying. The used stuuf will be tighter wound due to stretching under load. I do not use any cable with a rope core, or heavily crusted with oil. Too tough to burn out. Cut out the frayed areas using a torch. Sawing will unwind the ends. Now cut into about 12" lengths. Do the cuts slow so you fuse the ends.

I will post in small sections like this to not overload.

Enjoy,

Jim

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Posted 28 May 2007 - 10:07 AM

Very nice. I want to try it some day.
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Posted 28 May 2007 - 10:55 AM

Now it gets tricky. Heat the cable to forging temperature;HOT!! Pull it out and slap it on the anvil, reheat, slap a few times. You are trying to get anything that is loose or burned out BEFORE you start using the BORAX. Brush well, again get anything loose out. Once it seems clean, heat, quick to the vice and twist like heck. Repeat until you can't twist any more.

You guys want more??

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Posted 28 May 2007 - 02:08 PM

Shoot yeah, keep em coming!
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Posted 28 May 2007 - 04:20 PM

Now a light coat of BORAX, let it melt on until there is a shine to it. Back in the forge. Let the borax fuse even. Now very lightly tap the cable. Very gentle. More BORAX, more heat, more tapping. The cable will get a different more solid feel, the hammer will sound different. This indicates that the core is welding. Use light taps or you wil squish the cable and break the strands apart. Heat-Borax-Heat-Tap-Tap, repeat.

Next is clean up and forge to shape.

Any interest??

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Posted 28 May 2007 - 05:20 PM

Wow Jim, this is the most indepth explanation of how to work cable that I personally have ever heard. On the next piece I work on I'll have to try it your way and see if it turns out better than my first attempt. Keep it coming!
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Posted 29 May 2007 - 12:50 PM

im liking it...keep up posting, im learning something here!
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Posted 29 May 2007 - 01:19 PM

Keep going Jim. This is a good and simple tutorial.
I use the same hammer. The first thing I forged with it when i brought it home was cable. I don't use anything else any more.
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Posted 29 May 2007 - 09:38 PM

keep going Jim!!!!
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Posted 30 May 2007 - 12:17 AM

Cool.... um.... I mean... Hot! pics!.... Thanks for sharing
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Posted 30 May 2007 - 05:59 AM

It is very interesting. Thanks for sharing.
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Posted 30 May 2007 - 07:22 AM

Is there anything that needs to be clarified?? The areas that work for me:

-Older Cable, no rope core, little to no grease build up.
-Heat, burn off rust and junk, slap on anvil to rid.
-Twist like heck
-Heat, BORAX, Tap Tap, repeat.

Note the solid look to this billet now. The seams are fused on the outside.

To clean up: Once you have a solid feeling billet I recruit some help. The helper holds the HOT billet on the anvil and I hit it with the grinder. This is a quick way to get the glaze and junk off the surface. if you wait till it cools, it is miserable to get off.

What do you want to see clarified, or next?

Happy to share, that's how I learned.

Jim

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